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I never wanted to own Apple stuff (again after the stilly iPod drove me crazy years ago). But last week I bought a Mac Mini for 199 EUR, so I can test WUDSN IDE and my other tools on it.
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Once I have it running, I'll check out the description there. If I get it correctly, the main issue is MADS and it also appears under Linux. That should be easy to fix. I'll contact tebe for that. Where I'd need help is setting up Wine/Packaging Altirra in a way that is self-contained, so I can provide it as part of the read-to-run download archive.
I never wanted to as well, but once I had a MacMini (first at work), there was no way back to Windows for me. Linux is still nice® for programming, but having a consistent user interface that only changes in minor things over the years plus the underlying Unix background is really the best compromise for me - but I disgress. I have used WineBottler - in the advanced section you can set a few parameters that will create a self-contained Alitrra app. Most important are the libraries that are to be in- (or ex-)cluded as these can save a lot of harddisk space (well, a lot is relative nowadays).
Unfortunately, it's been so long ago that I did this that I forgot which sections in 'Winetricks' I activated. I could send you my Alitrra App so you could have a look what I removed from the App directory structure to save space. Later on, it is sufficient to replace the altirra.exe (and maybe the help file) within the app bundle when updating Altirra (one of the reasons why I never really wrote down the install settings). If you need any further help, let me know. MADS: it is not an official version yet. @Mathy: The MADS assembler is console application and has only dependencies to the file IO and console of the OS, which is basically the same on all OSes. It is designed to be compiled on other platforms.
Therefore it can simply be recompile to obtain a native executable. The Altirra emulator on the other hand is a 'hardcore' Windows application which makes heavy use of the graphics APIs and libraries available for/specific for Windows. These API/libraries do not exist in that as source or binary form on other OSes. Here the approach to mimic the required parts of Windows is actually the more natural approach.
And it'll even save time because you can just 'plug in' new Altirra versions then. C: jac is bad. I hate programs which always assume a C: drive. Use '%SystemRoot% jac. That said, I don't care what you take. Haven't used Windows for serious work since six years. And why should wusdn be installed at the root drive, whichever that is?
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Unless you did something really screwy with Windows there'll always be a C: drive. But if you went and did something screwy you probably know what you're doing and don't need a zero installation solution in the first place, right? Edited by ggn, Sun Nov 5, 2017 2:18 PM.
And why should wusdn be installed at the root drive, whichever that is? Unless you did something really screwy with Windows there'll always be a C: drive. But if you went and did something screwy you probably know what you're doing and don't need a zero installation solution in the first place, right? Just annoying defaults, and even worse if they cannot be changed. Saw this often on programs. We had a name for such programs in my previous work, 'stupid C: root program'.
C: might be a DOS or other partition. Why would or should I install a Windows program on a DOS partition? It consumes space there for no real reason. After all, this program cannot be run when I boot the DOS partition. As written above I was asking specifically for a the preferred default for Mac OS X/Linux.
Default implies that is of course not mandatory and you are free to put it where you want. None of the OS file APIs handle environment variables (they are properties of the shells). Hence the suggestion above is not feasible to handle the fact that the freely configurable paths on the IDE should come with a path that works by default.
Default in the sense: Download, unzip, click, run - even though your could configure dozens of individual paths. No installer. Installing an unsigned application in /Applications (automagically) will probably be prevented by Apple's security mechanisms.
/Applications will probably be easiest and cleanest, and I would also prefer /WUDSN instead of /jac - makes it easier to find. If you provide Altirra as part of the package, I would put Alitrra in the directory structure parallel to WUDSN so that it's possible to re-use it for other purposes as well without having to find it somewhere in the directory structure below WUDSN.
(JDownloader does this with unrar2 etc., so you might end up having it twice on your drive unnecessarily). Anyway, thanks for the effort, I really appreciate this! None of the OS file APIs handle environment variables (they are properties of the shells). Hence the suggestion above is not feasible to handle the fact that the freely configurable paths on the IDE should come with a path that works by default. Default in the sense: Download, unzip, click, run - even though your could configure dozens of individual paths. No installer.
I don't know. Are these paths somehow stored in a configuration file? If yes, I'd suggest to extenct your config file parser to handle environment variables in an entry. Then%SystemRoot% jac would work.
But%SystemRoot% might not be a good place. There's a difference if you want to install it for all users, or just the current user.
For all users it should be in 'Program Files', for the current user somewhere in his home directory. Thanks for you feedback. 'On Windows at least many companies seem to use locations like this: Program Files ' That is exactly the reason for the jac subfolder. I already have other projects besides WUDSN IDE the follow the same base path.
Basically I have a local directory with everything working and pre-configured and a script to clean, ZIP and upload this to my site. Today that exists for Windows. For the other platforms I want to do it the very same way. 're these paths somehow stored in a configuration file? If yes, I'd suggest to extend your config file parser to handle environment variables in an entry.' It's not my configuration file/parse but the one that is built-into Eclipse. Regarding central installation: in /Applications / opt You can already do that if you follow the regular installation instructions.
My aim here is to have a simple download you an test drive even without admin rights. I use essentially the same bash scripts for Linux and MacOS now (partly even for Windows using cywin). Target is to download the Window ZIP, extract the common parts, replace them locally and create a platform specific ZIP and upload it again. Therefore I'd would want to keep the paths & scripts equal on both systems. Today I tried to finally setup WUDSN ide on my mac.
I can compile any.asm file with mads and automatically start it in Altirra 3.1 and wine with the above shellscript provided by freetz (thanks for that). The only thing that is not working is debugging within Altirra. Wudsn creates the files example.asm, example.atdbg, example.lab, example.lst and example.xex and executes example.xex but although I set some breakpoints Altirra doesn't stop execution in order to debug. Edit: Perhaps someone can help? I am using mads 1.9.9 (that's the latest version I could find for mac os).
When I manually (F8) break the program Altirra seems confused because when I step (F11) into it shows the wrong sourcecode line in the.lst window breakpoint is at line 8 in my source code but in the.lst window Altirra always jumps to line no. Here is the sourcecode (Breakpoints at line 4 and 8 ): 1 org $4000 2 3 start 4 lda #52 5 sta 712 6 7 endless 8 jmp endless 9 10 run start This is the.atdbg file:.sourcemode on.echo.echo 'Loading executable.'
.echo bc.onexerun.echo 'Launching executable.' Bp `/Users/patjomki/Documents/workspace/Wudsn-Test/example.asm:4` bp `/Users/patjomki/Documents/workspace/Wudsn-Test/example.asm:8` And that is the.lst file: mads 1.9.9 1 org $4000 2 3 start 4 FFFF 4000-4007 A9 34 lda #52 5 4002 8D C8 02 sta 712 6 7 4005 endless 8 4005 4C 05 40 jmp endless 9 10 02E0-02E1 00 40 run start Edited by patjomki, Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:41 PM.
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